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Sir Tom Hunter · Aug 14, 2008, 08:07 AM // 08:07

Mk I've seen a couple of threads asking for a barrage build.. currently I'm not sure what I should use for it and was wondering what u all might think... O.o now remember it needs to be proph (haven't gotten any other Expansions/stand alones yet)

I'd appreciate some help, it took me a while to even get a build that would pass Hell's Preciple. (I fail as an archer *sad face* )

Charlotte the Harlot · Aug 14, 2008, 09:37 AM // 09:37

here is the pvxwiki article on barrage ranger it covers most the basics
http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:R/any_Barrage_Ranger

For a prophecies only Ranger and no access to heroes I think using conjure lightning, fire, or frost would be your best bet. Certain enemies are strong/weak against certain elements but over all it doesn't really matter which you pick. If you get grouped with a orders necromancer or a barbs/mark of pain necromancer make sure not to use conjure though.

Lyndka · Aug 14, 2008, 12:15 PM // 12:15

I've got three Rangers - only one has multi campaign skills (my main is a Splinter Barrager). My other two deliberately use a different skill set to make some variety for me as much as anything. Have a look at something along these lines...

Ranger/Elementalist

Barrage - by itself can cut a crowd down
Pin Down - stop warriors and dervishes running round
Distracting shot - interrupt casters
Inferno - when I'm stuck in a melee
Fire storm - not effective but I like the sound effect
or
Meteor shower - good for knockdowns but watch exhaustion
Conflagration - get your arrows burning stuff
Comfort Animal
Charm Animal

If you want - swap one out for a hard res - but try to keep the pet skills. Rune for Vigor, marksmanship and Expertise and get an Expertise+1 mask - being a Ranger your Expertise is your Energy. Use whatever Insignia you can afford and fill empty rune slots with Vitae's or attunement. Find yourself a couple of decent bows - a flatbow or longbow for Barrage (and believe me just because bows have same stats don't mean they fire the same!!) and a shortbow for melee.

If you need more help then PM me.

Sir Tom Hunter · Aug 14, 2008, 07:56 PM // 19:56

Thanks, I appreciate it, I'm using a Deldrimor Longbow (the green one) atm, I also have another longbow thats identical to it only it has a -10 armor while attacking. I'll work on getting a shortbow.

Abedeus · Aug 14, 2008, 08:12 PM // 20:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lyndka

I've got three Rangers - only one has multi campaign skills (my main is a Splinter Barrager). My other two deliberately use a different skill set to make some variety for me as much as anything. Have a look at something along these lines...

Ranger/Elementalist

Barrage - by itself can cut a crowd down
Pin Down - stop warriors and dervishes running round
Distracting shot - interrupt casters
Inferno - when I'm stuck in a melee
Fire storm - not effective but I like the sound effect
or
Meteor shower - good for knockdowns but watch exhaustion
Conflagration - get your arrows burning stuff
Comfort Animal
Charm Animal

If you want - swap one out for a hard res - but try to keep the pet skills. Rune for Vigor, marksmanship and Expertise and get an Expertise+1 mask - being a Ranger your Expertise is your Energy. Use whatever Insignia you can afford and fill empty rune slots with Vitae's or attunement. Find yourself a couple of decent bows - a flatbow or longbow for Barrage (and believe me just because bows have same stats don't mean they fire the same!!) and a shortbow for melee.

If you need more help then PM me.

Excuse me, but you must be mad to advise someone elementalist spells with that high cost. Just run standard b/p ranger... And that's it.

MagmaRed · Aug 14, 2008, 08:26 PM // 20:26

[barrage][distracting shot][conjure flame][charm animal][comfort animal][resurrection signet][lightning reflexes][favorable winds]

Use a Flatbow until you face melee mobs, then switch to a short bow.

Marksmanship 11+1+any for PvE
Expertise 10+1
Fire Magic 10
Beast Mastery 1+1 (eh, why not)

Sir Tom Hunter · Aug 15, 2008, 03:27 AM // 03:27

Hmm, so flatbow is speed, shortbow is attack and longbow is range?

O.o I don't see the purpose of the Conjure flame, unless u mean that I should get a fire damage dealing bow?

(Wasn't going to use nukes for my ranger anyway.)

Abedeus · Aug 15, 2008, 08:01 AM // 08:01

Shortbow is speed. Because with Flatbow you must use Read the Wind or prepare for a lot of misses. "Miss" misses. Longbow with Barrage is better - cooldown is almost same with Barrage, so you can just spam 1 1 1 and win. And the flight time is shorter. But for damage, Hornbow for 10% armor penetration or Recurve for fastest flight time/range ratio.

Conjure Fire is a waste. And why do you want to use Barrage anyway? Just cap Incendiary Arrows + Ignite Arrows/Kindle Arrows/Read the Wind/Apply Poison and enjoy a superior version of Barrage that can use preparations.

Sir Tom Hunter · Aug 15, 2008, 10:15 PM // 22:15

O.o because I R noob, didn't know how to. Also, hasn't Incendiary Arrows been changed?

Kapral · Aug 15, 2008, 11:09 PM // 23:09

Yes into something better than it used to be :-D.

Sir Tom Hunter · Aug 15, 2008, 11:48 PM // 23:48

:P I set up the Incendiary build it works well, but having so many preparations is pointless isn't it? Because u can only use 1 at a time and they recharge fast.

MagmaRed · Aug 16, 2008, 09:36 PM // 21:36

Incindiary Arrows hits fewer targets than Barrage, and offers no +damage. Burning is definitely nice, but I still find Barrage better for damage. Conjures work nicely for bonus damage on Barrage. If you want a condition based build, Incidiary Arrows is much nicer since you can still use preparations like Barbed Arrows and Apply Poison. Choking Gas wouldn't be a bad addition to Incindiary either, as it would bring back the interrupt ability it used to have.

Sir Tom Hunter · Aug 16, 2008, 09:50 PM // 21:50

Well the Incendiary build is good, if u combine it with Ignite arrows because it his alot of people really fast with a large deal of damage, however it also works well with the others, but haven't so many preps is a waste of space O.o, Should I make separate builds for each prep or what?

0 mesmerised 0 · Jan 12, 2009, 05:00 AM // 05:00

i use a barrage build sometimes for fun and it belts out a lot of damage but only if enemies are clustered. If you dont have any expansions then your build wont be as effective as someone who is using splinter weapons/barrage. If you want to make a good barrager in prophecies then a conjure weapon spell is essential, personally i would go with ice because then you can use AOE snares.

Amy Awien · Jan 12, 2009, 08:14 AM // 08:14

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Originally Posted by Sir Tom Hunter

.. but haven't so many preps is a waste of space ...

Pick a suitable one, depending on the area.

Hells Precipe - and the other Ring of Fire area's - become a lot easier with [Winter].

Abedeus · Jan 12, 2009, 08:45 AM // 08:45

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would go with ice because then you can use AOE snares.

NO. DON'T. USE. SPELLS. AS. RANGER.

Want snares? Go Mesmer/Elementalist. Want bows? RANGER.

Quote:

conjure weapon spell is essential

No, it's not. It helps, but is not that requires. You can get just as well Judge's Insight for Holy Damage (not ignoring armor though) + armor penetration.

Marina · Jan 12, 2009, 09:04 AM // 09:04

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

Just run standard b/p ranger... And that's it.

I really don't see the point though of using a pet anyways unless you're going to be serious and go all into beast mastery. If you're die-hard about using barrage, I'd drop the pet.
I more support the use of incendiary w/ other condition preparations, it's a pretty nice combo. Rangers definitely should NOT be using energy-cost spells like elementalist or any other type. Then why did you choose to be a ranger?
Concerning bows, I'm more of a fan of the recurve bow for multi-purpose use.

0 mesmerised 0 · Jan 13, 2009, 06:44 AM // 06:44

i meant like warriors using shock, rangers can use low cost spells. I wasnt suggesting to use maelstrom or deep freeze.

even better try using conjure lightning and bring tenai's wind to knock down any melee aggressors who are annoying you.

only costs 5 energy and has an 8 second recharge.

elk · Jan 13, 2009, 05:59 PM // 17:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sir Tom Hunter

Well the Incendiary build is good, if u combine it with Ignite arrows because it his alot of people really fast with a large deal of damage, however it also works well with the others, but haven't so many preps is a waste of space O.o, Should I make separate builds for each prep or what?

As Amy indicated, select one suitable prep to what you're doing and go with it. Abedeus was just giving you several examples of preps you could consider with IA.

elk